union, if that doesn't make you a conservative nothing will. and watching a little bit of fox nothing will, either. when you were raised your father ted turner, he wasn't as liberal as he is now, i understand. correct? >> no, my dad was pretty tough. he did 8 years of military school. he was in the coast guard. we had -- there was no sleeping in on the weekends. we did white glove inspections. dad was tough. he made us work hard. learn the value of a dollar, all the things that our dads should be doing today. >> >> bill: did he discuss politics with you when you were growing up? >> oh, absolutely. our dinner conversations were pretty incredible. i mean, he was involved with all indz of things. and he never -- we didn't get much into the baseball and little league and that and i could've stuff. we were always talking about pretty heavy issues. >> was he then a liberal man? was he -- you know, did he support the liberal side when you were a kid? >> no. he didn't. he mid -- met my mother at a young republican's convention. he was very -- he was a